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MembersPage/NanassyPeter/Config (2005-08-01 16:22:05)

GenBoard/VerThree

Firmware currently 1.0.14_rc1

Initial distributor config similar to MembersPage/Fero old config (he recently moved to camsync).

Current config made by Marcell (THANKS A LOT)

primep=00

primep_temp_scaling=00

cwl=28

cwh=0F

cranking_thres=02

awev=14

awev_temp_scaling=A0

awc=00 # should be FF !!!

warmup_clt_range[0]=00

warmup_clt_range[1]=14

warmup_clt_range[2]=28

warmup_clt_range[3]=3C

warmup_clt_range[4]=50

warmup_clt_range[5]=64

warmup_clt_range[6]=78

warmup_clt_range[7]=8C

warmup_clt_range[8]=AA

warmup_clt_range[9]=C8

warmup_clt[0]=A0

warmup_clt[1]=96

warmup_clt[2]=8C

warmup_clt[3]=87

warmup_clt[4]=82

warmup_clt[5]=7D

warmup_clt[6]=78

warmup_clt[7]=73

warmup_clt[8]=6E

warmup_clt[9]=64

warmup_rpm_scale=26

req_fuel=17

divider=01

alternate=14

injopen=00

battfac=10

kpafac=78

kpaoffs=8E

injocfuel=19

injrampup_battfac=00 should be FF confirm that you read this by changing to injrampup_battfac=FF. I will not waste a minute until you confirm to fix this.

injpwm=45

injpwmt=08

injpwm6=26

rpmk[0]=09

rpmk[1]=60

tpsdot_kpadot_conf=00

tpsdotrate[0]=05

tpsdotrate[1]=0F

tpsdotrate[2]=1A

tpsdotrate[3]=29

tpsaq[0]=02

tpsaq[1]=05

tpsaq[2]=0A

tpsaq[3]=0F

tps_thresh=04

tpsasync=05

acmult=69

tpsacold=14

tpsdq=63

decel_fuelcut_thres=14

overrun_fuelcut=12

overrun_fuelresume=11

rev_limit=49

airden_ignore=61

config11=41

config12=40

config13=02

batt_cal=A3

fastidle=C6

baro=64

dbaro=0C

tps_low=23

tps_high=F3

fan_temp=5F

fan_hyst=05

fan_channel=FF

iac_step_seq=C9

iac_conf=6C

iac_max_steps=E0

iac_tps_thres=04

iac_cold_idle_temp=80

iac_warm_idle_temp=D0

iac_cold_rpm=74

iac_warm_rpm=5C

iac_cold_start_pos=E2

iac_warm_start_pos=B0

iac_afterstart_rpm=1F

iac_afterstart_duration=20

iac_afterstart_steps=00

iac_kp=14

iac_ki=0F

iac_kd=14

iac_integral_speed=C0

iac_integral_limit_dec=05

iac_integral_limit_inc=78

iac_integral_deadband=0A

iac_deadband=05

iac_pid_conf=01

iac_overclose_interval=FF

iac_ref_pos[0]=35

iac_ref_pos[1]=34

iac_ref_pos[2]=33

iac_ref_pos[3]=32

iac_ref_pos[4]=31

iac_ref_pos[5]=30

iac_ref_pos[6]=2F

iac_ref_pos[7]=2E

iac_ref_pos[8]=2D

iac_ref_pos[9]=2C

iac_sol_channel=FF

iac_ign_advance_change=20

iac_ign_retard_change=20

iac_ign_advance_limit=08

iac_ign_retard_limit=08

iac_ign_threshold=08

ego_conf=07

ego_lag=01

ego_coolant=00

ego_maxtps=FF

ego_maxmap=FF

ego_minrpm=08

ego_maxrpm=4B

ego_warmup=1E

ego_lean_limit=30

ego_rich_limit=30

ego_pid_kp=20

mt_unused=FF

ego_delta=01

ego_target=19

ego_pid_window=FF

wbo2_warmup_ramp=C0

wbo2_warmup_target=FF

wbo2_abs_limit=E4

wbo2_limit_maxt=A0

wbo2_fallback=60

wbo2_retry_t=06

wbo2_edgetime_corr=BA

wbo2_edgetime_min=50

wbo2_ri_target=9A

wbo2_nernstdc_target=9D

wbo2_pump_pw_zero=64

wbo2_calibration=B4

wbo2_heater_pid_kp=46

wbo2_heater_pid_ki=10

wbo2_heater_pid_kd=1A

wbo2_heater_pid_ilimit=80

wbo2_pump_pid_kp=15

wbo2_pump_pid_ki=37

wbo2_pump_pid_kd=00

wbo2_pump_pid_ilimit=FF

wbo2_ri_confidence_scale=80

knock_conf=00

knock_sampling_window=FF

knock1_frequency=29

knock1_gain=FF

knock1_integrator=FF

knock2_frequency=29

knock2_gain=FF

knock2_integrator=FF

knock_threshold=FF

knock_noise_scale=FF

knock_max_retard=FF

knock_default_retard=00

knock_retard_step=FF

knock_retard_delay=FF

knock_advance_step=FF

knock_advance_delay=FF

knock_minrpm=FF

knock_maxrpm=FF

ve_learn_coolant=D8

ve_learn_max_power=FF

ve_learn_rpm_scale=1E

ve_learn_kpa_scale=1E

ve_learn_ego_scale=43

ve_learn_min_weight=4D

ve_learn_speed=FF

ve_learn_limit=FF

ve_learn_conf=00

lcd_c0=FE

lcd_delay=FF

lcd_backlight=FF

lcd_offs[0]=FF

lcd_offs[1]=FF

lcd_offs[2]=FF

lcd_offs[3]=FF

lcd_default_view=00

primary_trigger=FE

secondary_trigger=02

tooth_wheel=05

trigger_tooth=00

another_trigger_tooth=1E

crank_minper=60

tooth_wheel_twidth1=00

tooth_wheel_twidth2=00

cam_sync_r_edge_phase=01

cam_sync_f_edge_phase=02

reset_engphase_after=F0

ign_tdcdelay=78

ign_dwell14=2F

ign_dwell6=38

ign_crank_advance=20

ign_out=70

ignchmax=04

engine_off_delay=08

pump_on_mintime=06

fuelpump_channel=FF

inj_stage2_rate=FF

inj_stage2_start_tps=FF

inj_stage2_start_map=FF

als_lowrpm=FF

als_maxtps=FF

als_ignretard=FF

als_rich=FF

als_rev_limit=FF

misc1out_minrpm=FF

misc1out_maxrpm=FF

misc1out_mintps=FF

misc1out_maxtps=FF

misc1out_minmap=FF

misc1out_maxmap=FF

misc1out_channel=FF

misc2out_minrpm=FF

misc2out_maxrpm=FF

misc2out_mintps=FF

misc2out_maxtps=FF

misc2out_minmap=FF

misc2out_maxmap=FF

misc2out_channel=FF

act_wot_rpm=FF

act_wot_channel=FF

act_rpm_rpm=FF

act_rpm_channel=FF

egt1_cal=47

egt1_offs=00

boost_conf=00

boost_targetoffs=00

boost_minpressure=FF

boost_pid_kp=20

boost_pid_ki=80

boost_pid_kd=01

boost_pid_ilimit=FF

boost_channel=FF

water_pump_temp=00

hybrid_rpm_a=00

hybrid_rpm_m=00

water_pump_hyst=00

water_pump_channel=FF

toothrel_normal=66

toothrel_missing=7F

And the tables

j[0]=2B80 2D80 2F80 3380 3380 3480 3580 3480 3380 3180 2E80 2680

j[1]=2D80 3280 3A80 3B80 4080 4380 4180 3D80 3C80 3880 3580 2D80

j[2]=3180 3680 3C80 4080 4580 4A80 4780 4680 4580 4680 4680 4180

j[3]=3980 3A80 4380 4880 4A80 4F80 4E80 4B80 4D80 4F80 4B80 4280

j[4]=4080 4380 4980 4D80 4E80 5080 4E80 5080 5380 5680 5180 5180

j[5]=4680 4780 4E80 4F80 5380 5480 5580 5580 5980 5B80 5C80 5A80

j[6]=5080 5280 5480 5580 5880 5980 5C80 5E80 6080 6280 6280 6080

j[7]=5980 5B80 5D80 5F80 6080 6480 6880 6B80 6F80 6F80 7180 6F80

j[8]=6780 6880 6980 6B80 6B80 6E80 7380 7780 7980 7880 7B80 7C80

j[9]=7580 7880 7980 7780 7980 7A80 8080 8380 8580 8880 8880 8680

j[A]=8D80 8D80 8B80 8C80 8D80 8F80 9480 9780 9A80 9C80 9D80 9C80

j[B]=9E80 A180 9E80 9E80 A080 A580 AA80 AE80 B580 BA80 BC80 BA80

l[0]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37

l[1]=37 37 37 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 37 37 37 37

l[2]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37

l[3]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37

l[4]=47 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D

l[5]=47 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44

l[6]=48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48

l[7]=4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F

l[8]=55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55

l[9]=5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C

l[A]=63 63 63 63 63 63 63 63 63 63 63 63

l[B]=66 66 66 63 63 66 66 66 66 66 66 66

n[0]=41 42 4C 58 82 8C 94 9C 9E 9E A0 94

n[1]=3F 42 4B 58 83 8C 94 9C 9E 9E A0 94

n[2]=3C 3F 49 54 7D 88 90 98 98 98 9C 94

n[3]=36 3B 48 54 7C 84 8C 94 94 96 98 94

n[4]=32 38 46 54 75 7C 82 8B 8D 90 91 91

n[5]=2E 36 44 4F 70 77 80 84 88 88 8C 8C

n[6]=04 04 3F 45 68 70 78 80 82 84 88 88

n[7]=04 04 34 38 60 68 6C 6C 74 76 78 78

n[8]=04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04

n[9]=04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04

n[A]=04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 04

n[B]=28 28 10 14 20 24 2C 34 34 36 38 04

k[0]=14 28 3C 50 64 78 8C A0 B4 C8 E1 FF

r[0]=07 0A 12 19 1E 25 2B 32 37 3C 43 4A

h[0]=04 10 08 02 01 00 00 00

h[1]=00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

h[2]=00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

b[0]=FF 00 00 00 1E 20 12 12 12 12 12 12

t[0]=1A 0E 06 04 02 00 00 00

The cars behaviour is very strange, no clean idle,sounds like 1-2 cylinder is missing.On higher RPM it sounds clean,but nothing helps cleaning up the idle fields.Just before the ECU swap everything worked fine.

After some more testing the car is a total dissapointment, and i think the problem is nothing to do with the maps,tables (VE,and Spark).The car feels good only under acceleration,and except that feels like only 3-4 cylinder is firing.

But all cyls are firing, this is confirmed by idle-MAP value and WBO2 (there is no such amount of O2 in the exhaust as it would be with 3..4).

The sound of the engine clearly shows that only 3-4 cyl are running,and the resonance too.TRUST me,i know when all cylinders running.

We know from experience (and science) that lambda goes leaner at misfire (because O2 gets to the exhaust). The described behavious can be caused by ignition seriously retarded for some (eg. because of uneven windows at the HALL sensor, for the chosen edge) or all cylinders (base timing).

My injectors are low impedance 3ohm 55lb/hr Siemens ones,and i tried different injector settings,but nothing helped.The RPM signal is good and accurate, i think the main problem is that the ECU cannot control accurately the injectors.

You admittedly don't have the equipment (scope) to claim this.The injector control is very precise in fact, average error in the 4usec range.

After the engine is setup with the minimal road-safety-requirements (fuel-pump switched off at accident), it might worth to make a few measurements of injector-current (temporarily take out injector-fuse and use a DVM in DC ampere-meter mode). Take notes of the

Scoping is also possible, using a small, eg. 0.1 Ohm series power resistor (or a long wire). Make sure scope is not grounded to engine ground.

I have no scope and honestly i really dont want to buy one.

Besides the injrampup_battfac=00 error (that might alone be responsible for the failure), some variables could be tweaked, taking note of the current to (see above)

2..3 steps each would be enough, no need for all combinations (possibly set the rest in mid-position when tweaking X).

MembersPage/MattiasSandgren/VolvoPV is the engine that was tuned with 1600cc/min low-z injectors (1 for each 550cc cylinders) and aggressive turbo cams (100 hp/litre). 550cc/min injectors is no problem, just find the injector characteristics.

Base timing

There might be a problem with base timing. The sensor was moved, and it is easy to mess up the trigger-edge anyway. Please document how you checked and adjusted the base timing.

If you planned to install 60-2 wheel, that might be a good idea: allows more precise ignition control at low RPM.

Can you look up if both trigger edges were used for ignition timing in your claimed-good setup ?

Az egész ügy kezd egy kicsit szétcsúszni, úgy érzem próbálod megkerülni-kikerülni a valódi problémát.Nincs semmi baj a Dwellel,ami most 3ms,sem a gyertyákkal,bár valóban csoda hogy a vems 8-9 körüli AFR jét egyáltalán el tudta égetni.

Az egyetlen és valós és jelenleg is fennálló gond az injector beállításokkal van,és mivel nem akarom elbaXXni őket (mivel AZOK IS VADI ÚJAK CSAKÚGY MINT A GYERTYÁK) nem akarok kisérletezgetni.A volvos oldalon nem találok semmi infot.Persze majd kérdezek.

Az előgyujtást pedig természetesen stroboszkoppal állítottam be.fixáltam a táblázatban 20fokra és addig tekertem az elosztót/hallt amig a TDC after mittoménmi -hoz 60 at írva 20 lett az elögyujtás strobival.De persze mindegy mert nemtudom hogy a halálba tudnék 8.0át menni 200on ha ennyire se értenék hozzá.

Marcell Hétfőn felhívlak,és talán tudsz még szánni rám egy kis időt,és megpróbáljuk belőni az injectort,de mégegyszer mondom,az égvilágon semmi mása baja nincs a gépnek csak az.Ezt az előgyujtást meg márcsak azért is hagyi kellene MERT NEM ILYEN tüneteket produkálna .

És nem akarok most 60 - 2 se.

Tudom hogy SEGÍTENI akarsz amit nagyon köszönök,de hidd el utánnanéztem mindennek,ez a probléma ,ezt kell megoldani.

Köszönöm:Péter

Eg©sz délután teszteltem és sikerült pozitív irányba lépni,de sajnos ez még korántsem a kívánatos szint.Minden henger megy!!Jelenleg alapjáraton (bármennyire is elveszem a VE táblát) 11:1 az AFR,és tisztán kivehető ,hogy olyan üzemállapotokban ahol 1.3ms feletti injector idő kell már jól működik az ECU.Végigpróbáltam a javasolt injector beállításokat és a legjobb amit ki bírtam hozni ez a 11:1hez AFR volt.Hogy segítsek a vemsnek még a benzinnyomást is lecsökkentettem,de még ez se használt.Fero javaslatára levittem az elögyujtást 4-6 fok körülire,de ez se segitett.

felraktam a jelenlegi konfigot:

File files/NanassyPeter/megasquirt200508011920.msq

nem tudom hogyan linkeljem hogy jo legyen.

Ezeket próbáltam:

Inj open time at 13.2 :0 (Fero)

Inj eff rampup:0-4000 olyan 2800 körul az opt.

Inj rampup battfac :300-600

battfac:300-1000

DC:20-40

added DC:4-15

peak time:0.8-1.3

Mivel a legtöbb egyéb változó,pl req fuel,spark map,ve map,nagyjából adott ezért most már valóban tanácstalan vagyok hogy merre??

Üdv,Péter