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2005-12-28 11:17:40 . . . . MembersPage/MarcellGal [auditrigger seems to be good for this]
2005-12-28 10:41:47 . . . . MembersPage/MarcellGal
2005-12-28 02:09:50 . . . . GenboardFiero
2005-12-21 23:47:44 . . . . GenboardFiero [DIS C3I Ignition and triggering]
2005-12-21 23:47:12 . . . . GenboardFiero
2005-12-14 12:09:52 . . . . MembersPage/PhatBob [answered most questions]
2005-12-13 19:46:05 . . . . GenboardFiero [New member w/ questions]


Changes by last author:

Changed:
I've decided to try and use all of the factory components as much as possible. (MAT, CLT and MAP as well as the triggers) This is my preliminary design to convert the 18-0 to 18-1 for the crank trigger. Dealing with modifying the firmware is not something I want to tackle right now.
I've decided to try and use all of the factory components as much as possible. (MAT, CLT and MAP as well as the triggers).

* This is my preliminary design to convert the 18-0 to 18-1 for the crank trigger.

** I missed that you use HALL (and the shatter-wheel drawing below), and assumed VR: asked to detail how you plan to do the mechanical conversion, simply grinding a tooth (fully) gives bad waveform. You only want to grind off 30..40% of the tooth, and fill in at the sides. Than record waveform with soundcard or scope to see the waveform, particularly tooth amplitudes.

** are you about to do the trick in the electronic domain with gates ?

** it seems to me that the 1 campulse (rising edge) + 18 crankpulse (rising edge seems better), (no missing tooth, and 3 crankpulses not used) should work perfectly with InputTrigger/AudiTrigger config

*** HW set up for HALL primary and HALL secondary to match your sensors, but no other HW or firmware mod.

*** tooth_wheel=87 # decimal 135 : needed to enable the auditrigger code, otherwise not used

*** another_trigger_tooth=06 # 36 tooth per camrot, so one event every 6th tooth

*** trigger_tooth=00 # I reviewed auditrigger code and it seems to support trigger_tooth=00 (just make no sense for the audi trigger system, but good for this). Apparently this means ign_tdcdelay= 75 degrees in this case. (better than 45 which is a bit too low -> limits ignadv to max 44 degrees)

Changed:
I also decided to drop the rapid start feature for the time being.
Dealing with modifying the firmware is not something I want to tackle right now.

* I also decided to drop the rapid start feature (3 different width cam-pulses) for the time being.

** thinking: maybe 3 crankpulses would work with the fiatstilo bit enabled for camsync ? no, not in original form

Changed:
The trigger will be 65 BTDC of cylinder 1/4 @ 120 degrees (Factory was 75 BTDC)
The first tooth (tooth-center) after the missing tooth will be 65 BTDC of cylinder 1/4 @ 120 degrees (Factory was 75 BTDC). Will use config.trigger_tooth=00, so the trigger will also be at 65 BTDC.
Changed:
QUESTIONS:

I'm thinking that since the firmware works w/ 36-1 it should be fine with 18-1?

The firmware is same for 18-1 as for 36-1, but tooth_wheel=11 (decimal 17) is used (instead of tooth_wheel=23 # that is decimal 35)

* Is the factory position of the CAM trigger shown below acceptable to current firmware?

** cam falling edge is appr 25 ATDC, so kindof acceptable (outside the 50 BTDC .. 20ATDC window that is useful for spark; 30 ATDC might be useful for aggresive ALS)

** cam rising edge appr 55ATDC=65BTDC, so perfect for camsync

** it should be only one pulse per cam, otherwise firmware mod is needed

** some table-testing (stim from PC soundcard, and display with a few LEDs) is recommended. If the crankwheel is fine, it shouldn't be too problematic to get this working. Just keep documenting your plans / efforts/ measurements (with used firmware,config,connections,etc...) and we'll help so it'll work out.

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Is the factory position of the CAM trigger shown below acceptable to current firmware?