MembersPage/GergelyLezsak/BigSixTurbo/KnockSense (2006-05-13 22:30:29)

Knock Sensing

BMW M102/M106 engines (similar to M30 + turbo) are factory equipped with two knock sensors. I'm trying to utilize them...

- Unfortunately at the moment there's only support for one sensor at-a-time in firmware. I'd definitely like to utilize both of them in the future, but for now I need to stick with the second one which is located between cyl. 5-6. It is the well-known place of knock, more than the first sensor location, since cyl.6 is the hottest one.

PLAN

How to set up the characteristic knock frequency?

Bore is 92mm, so r=46mm.

1. Theory

The expected knocking frequency is around 900/(pi*r) = 900/(3.14*46) = 6.2kHz

See TPIC8101 datasheet (using 4 MHz crystal; for reference, 0x29 = decimal 41 = appr 7 kHz)

2. Experience

* record the knock-sensor output with notebook soundcard while knock sensor is connected (with a 50k series resistor) to the microphone input of a laptop.

counterrecommended:

* This is very hard without WideBand closed-loop EGO control, because the engine will want to stop before any knocking, and adjusting the fuel manually at the same time ignadv is adjusted is hard.

* note that the MAP should be low, 25..40 kPa (max 55kPa), otherwise the engine is endangered. RPM also low (<1500 RPM).

* play back the sound after the engine stopped. You'll be surprised how well the ping sound can be heard without the loud exhaust sounds.

* just read the characteristic frequency from the FFT diagram.

Config

From TPIC8101 datasheet config value 39 stands for 6.37kHz, which is probably close to current typical knock freqency.

* from global.h: uint8_t knock_conf; // knock, config. bit0 o FF means knock2... ??

o FD means knock1... (DEFAULT!)

# Overall System Settings

# Knock selection

knock_conf = FF # enable knock-detection, will use Channel2!

knock_sampling_window = e2 # ???

# Use knock sensing in this RPM range

# FF for both means no knock sensing/control???

knock_minrpm = 05 # FF=No minimum RPM. 0x01=100rpm

knock_maxrpm = FF # FF=No maximum RPM

knock1_frequency = 27 # dec 39, 6.37kHz

knock1_gain = 40 # ???

knock1_integrator = 14 # ???

knock2_frequency = 27 # dec 39, 6.37kHz

knock2_gain = 40 # ???

knock2_integrator = 14 # ???

# Trigger level

knock_threshold = 50 # ???

knock_noise_scale = 10 # ???

# Ignition effects

#

# Knock getting louder

knock_max_retard = 50 # 20 degreees, 0x01=0.25 crank degrees. knock_default_retard = 10 # *0.25 crank degrees.

knock_retard_step = 08 # 3.2 degrees

knock_retard_delay = 10 # 0x01=15ms Retard delay.

# Knock getting softer

knock_advance_step = 02 # *0.25 crank degrees.

knock_advance_delay = 10 # 0x01=15ms

I'm totally lost with these config values. Couldn't find any usable info for those ??? values. Any idea?

See lcd_display.c for the displayed knock values.

Most importantly: lcd_knock_diff ("d:...") and you'll see that increasing gain increases this. We like to set gain so above d:100 means knock. There are no sharp limits here.