MembersPage/NanassyPeter/BoostControl (2006-04-24 12:05:29)

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So finally,after 1 year i decided to install the N75 WGFV,and control it via VEMS.

I know from MiskaPeippos page that i have to drive this with a free injector driver.So this will provide the negative voltage,and i should wire the other pin to ignition positive?

How to configure in Megatune? I have an almost bone stock AAN engine too,what PID settings worked best?

thanks,peter


After installing the mechanical parts and configured the ECU,i started a LLOOOONNGGG PID tuning session. I educated myself with the help of GRMracer (thanks a lot!).

Basially i used the method describer at wikipedia,tried Feros initial Boostconfig,nothing worked.after 2 hours of continous testing,i decided to make a basic test.With only P variable (ID zero) i should have a huge oscillation,while the desired target is beeing overshoot.Now that is what wont happen at all.I cant get more boost than 1 bar (200Kpa) with P only,which makes me wonder,is this really a PID control?

Please dont try to tell me what mechanical parts to check,the whole thing is allright,its a pure programming/controlling issue => likely bad configuration of reference position ?

Every part of the system is STOCK, so no problems here (?). How was it verified ?

I also tried to choose the best working PWM period.

with the lower (2-8),and only P max(200-255) waiting for oscillation nothing happened (max160-170kpa),and with 15msec perion and 200 P there was a slight oscillaton (200kpa + - 10kpa)

Note that the actual target was 230kpa,which was NEVER reached under the whole session. This is a good point to start ! Does it reach 230kPa with the valve fully open (100% duty?). I'd start with refpos = 80%. refpos=60% might be possible, but I highly doubt 20 or 40% would be good (from this fact that 230kPa was never reached).

Any suggestions are welcome, i made numerious log (10+).

http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/NanassyPeter/BC_logs => useless without the matching config

''Of course there is the matching config in the filename,for example

http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/NanassyPeter/BC_logs/datalog200604222033_2m_40_90_80_75.xls

datalog200604222033_2m_40_90_80_75.xls

means date_(period in MT)_P_I_D_Ilimit''

Note how the link is changed. after uploading, rightclick on the link for the copy-URL-to-clipboard (not copy from browser URL-line).

I dont have such feature in Firefox ,only a copy link location

I will also try Miskas settings.


After some more testing i found the roots of the problem:looks like the valve cannot do all the 0-100% DC,it only wors good in a certain region.That is why i can achive a rocksolid 170 and 180 kpa boost (even with much stiffer WG spring).This means for me that when the WGFV must open less (0-50%) it control fine,but when more opening is needed it fails (say 50-100%).

When it has to bypass little amount of air (when choosing lower targets like 170kpa) it can do the job,but when more volume of air must be bypassed (higher boost target) it fails.

This confirms the reference position suspicion.

Ok so how can i solve this problem??

Note that i also added a restriction in the system (before it had a diam 2.5mm, now it has a 1.5mm diam)