Installing a VEMS unit on a stock 89 Porsche 911 Carrera 3,2.
MembersPage/MacB/Config <- please verify
http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/MacB
Open Issues
Help needed
- Can��t get the sectrig working:
- Can only get the primary trigger (129 teeth) to record anything in trigger recorder.
- When I enable the CamSync for Sectrig, I don´t get any recordings anymore.
- Tried out several pinnings of the two VRs, but nothing helped. See triggerlogs. under /Config
- Also tried to disconnect ground to Pin13 but without success.
- Actual settings:
- speed sensor (129 teeth) to Pin 27
- refernce sensor (1 tooth) to Pin 12
- Pin 13 grounded (same ground like Pin26)
- Actual firmware: 1.2.11 (Any other firmware needed ???)
- Alternative trigger setting can somebody <- please verify
- Number of cylinders = 6
- Audi trigger divider = 43
- TDC after the trigger = 60.0
- Number of Teeth On Wheel = 6
- # of teeth of full engine cycle = 6
- First trigger tooth = 0
- Next trigger tooth = 1
- Angular Width of Tooth = 120 degrees
- Reference trigger tooth table = 0, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
- This looks much nicer in VEMSTune Trigger Settings Visual, but will it work ???
- masking the sectrig to only consider every second pulse ?
- injectors are grouped 1,2,3 and 4,5,6
- Req Fuel (Injector size) = 14.9ms (6,49 *(3164ccm/6/229,1ccm/min))
- Injector firing Divider = 3
- Number of primary injectors = 2
- Coil charge time @13,2V = 3,01ms
- is this a good start value for a single BOSCH coil setup ?
Engine specs
- 3,2litre flat-six normally aspirated
- number of cylinders=6 (even fire)
- trigger system is 2 VR sensors on flywheel / starter ring gear (crankwheel)
- rev sensor is sensing 129teeth per crank rev
- 43*3, so divide-by-N N=43
- the rest like reference tooth almost like with 3 teeth on the crank: a c003 trigger if sectrig comes just from 1 crankpulse, ( or c006 if camsync is also installed - which is not, at least initially )
- TDC sensor is sensing 1 pin on flywheel (don´t know yet how many degrees before TDC).
- Will likely need to have (access to) a strobelight to verify all is well.
- rev sensor is sensing 129teeth per crank rev
- no cam or distributor sensor
- with auditrigger camHALLinverter the EC36/13 input must be grounded to allow the crankhome-VR pulse to go through.
- stock NTCII at cylinder head #3
- AFM (flap type) will be removed, will use TPS instead (exchanging stock idle and WOT switch)
- idle control valve is the "silver cigar" BOSCH thing, two wires to ECU, so PWM
- IGN distribution will remain untouched in first step, stock coil, stock distributor
- stock fuel injector BOSCH 0-280-150-158 low-Z (2-3 Ohms)
- order with "low-Z extension" option if you keep the high-Z injectors (and configure PWM-ing: ~35% PWM duty after 1msec full-voltage)
- wideband O2-sensor will be used intead of stock narrowband
- no MAP.
- It would be easier to tune with a MAP sensor, but also possible with TPS, with more work
- MAT now planed
- The MAT sensor is almost a MUST (in a normally aspirated engine MAT sensor can be an NTC in the air-filter, very simple and cheap, just make sure the engine will never inhale it)
- Firing order is 1-6-2-4-3-5 for the Carrera
- wiring should remain mainly stock with stock-DME-connector and only additional wires for wideband, TPS and so on
- planning to use alpha-N only
Trigger: div-by-43
- primary trigger: 129 is 43*3
- that is 43 per event: 43 is a prime number so cannot be divided. Therefore divide by 43 is the way to go with this trigger: the only way
- 129 means 258 for a full engine cycle, the max value for "Coil-type" + "normal" is 255 !
- using a divider is a must anyway, because only that allows a race-condition between secondary trigger and primary trigger, should the 2 falling edges of primtrig-VR and sectrig-VR be close
- timing from 3 pulses means that (crankhome-VR) pulse must be 35-75 crankdeg BTDC.
- Also, during cranking, relative angular acceleration is high (does not double, but RPM * 1.3 is possible) between consecutive events, so, as a result the actual spark will be slightly delayed during cranking when the engine suddenly comes alive
- this can be somewhat compensated with a few degrees higher sparkadv at 400 RPM. Does not effect normal running (even quick acceleration in gear1).
- if really 129, than 43 tooth per event per (if 6cyl). But with divby3 (and 43 tooth total,) next_trigger_tooth=14, 14*3=42 tooth (~2.75 degree percylinder spark delay) can be used to compensate this tooth...
- important: divby4 (11*4=44) is clearly invalid, there is no integer T=tooth_count for which 4 * T = 129 so trigger error would always be on with that (if it would run at all)
- So I need to use "Auditrigger DivbyN" option and a "Audi trigger divider" of 43.
- So number of teeth on wheel becomes 3 (carrying over what I see on the AUDI configs) confirmed!
- First trigger tooth = 0
- Next trigger tooth = 1
- Angular width of teeth = 120°
VEMS-spec: / Needed parts
- VEMS Board version v3.6
- Serial nr.= 8234
- (Order ID= 8044)
- Flyback: LowZ active flyback 8ch
- ignition driver: 8
- primary_trigger: EC36/27 VR
- secondary_trigger: auditrigger w/camHALLinverter
- Knock input channels: 0
- LCD connection: no
- MAP connection: offboard(electronic)
- mounting-style: no-screws
- 1-wire interface: no
- EGT input: no
- PS2 connection: no
- withSDcard: no
- Other stuff:
- TPS from E36 (Hella): 6PX 008 476-111
- Adapter plate DIY
- WBO2 (Bosch): 0 258 007 351
- MAT (Bosch): 0 280 130 039
- intake pipe DIY
- 1 x Wideband connector
- 1 x Econoseal18-Wire side
- 1 x EconoSeal36-Wire side
- Some other connectors etc.
- TPS from E36 (Hella): 6PX 008 476-111
Related projects by other users:
Looks like a similar setup: MembersPage/KevinBlack/PorscheTurbo